Curse

Lilanthe · Apr 13, 2007, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Your trying to defend death leveling with nothing but crap so far. If my crediblity = zero, your credibility is into the realm of imaginary numbers.

I know full well how deatleveling works, you don't, you bash on it without knowing crap about it. Case closed. Stop trying to counter my saying with nonsense, you are only making a fool of yourself.

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1. I have a pair of glasses, 2 pair actually.

2. What would have that to do with me getting soemthing in my eye?

If thats the best you can come back with you really have lost this debate.

Can't come up with something to counter what I said other than that ? Haha ! Again you are just digging yourself in a deeper hole.

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Sorry, are you been picky? Ran out of things to come back with?

Another thing that makes no sense, you are the one that came with the issue of Charr bags that would make their possessor more powerful and imbalanced. (not thinking before writing again hmm ?)

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As you said, the highest level MONSTER is level 10. In that 1 quote you have just basically said that the LDoA title shouldn't even exist because Pre-searing is a tutorial.

I said that ? Where ?

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What your saying goes beyond this title and its suggestions to make it possible without death leveling. Perhaps you should think through what your saying before spouting out crap that basically says everything your 'fighting' for shouldn't exist.
Your reducing yourself to saying that people who want to look around (a high level boss is hardly stopping them from LOOKING) can no longer do that thanks to a single boss. If thats the best you can come up just leave now before you start embaressing yourself.

Syntax please.

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Lol, it prepares them for DoA. Get over it.

Pathetic argument. No surprise here yet again.

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Weird, it makes perfect sense to me. An easier alternative eh? I didn't see people who already had the title complaining about exp farming using low risk builds cheapens the Survivor title.

Irrevelant.

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LDoA is basically the 'gain a title for dieing alot' title that some people have been wanting. Yet you defend it.

Yes, right now, LDoA is a title that you can only achieve through deleveling. Doesn't please you ? Try another title.

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Do you have it by any chance and think that nobody without 100s of hours of time to spend afk should get it?

I think that your view of things would make the title too easy to achieve. Did I ever put aside the alternative to LDoA ? No, I've said it earlier. You are blabbering nonsense yet again.

Put your glasses back on.

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Yes, reading half of your replies though makes me wonder if you do.

Amusing again. Yet you fail to insult me because it is clearly you that fail to understand what is written in my posts. I feel I'm arguing with a teenager.

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You quoted that? Seriously... why? All i can do with that is say you need to learn English. Its 'understand'. Theres nothing wrong with my maths, i can prove that with my A at A-level and B in Further Maths AS. There is also no maths in what you quoted.

lol ? You have nothing to come up with other than spelling errors ? I've ignored your "your" that should be "you're" until then, you are in know position to correct me.

Yet you failed to understand what I wrote earlier which was of a blatant simplicity.

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Well considering i have never so much as tried to gain this title because i see it as completely worthless due to the requirement of 100s of hours of death level pets while afk, how the hell would i know? They have an entire post-searing to mess around with.

Ah ! Well there is the question ! You never tried. Well, why are you so obsessed with this title then ?

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For all i care they could put this boss in the Fire Islands meaning you have to fight there from Ascalon each time, its not as if they have to actually add this location to the map, FoW/UW aren't located on the map, who says the location of the boss they add has to be on the map?

Because Anet won't create a new map for the sole purpose of the LDoA title ?

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If you seem to think modifying the surroundings is a bit too much, perhaps you should think back to when they added Grenths Footprint + Sorrows Furnace.

End game content is different from early game content which is only profitable for a few people seeking the title. (you are not thinking before writing again)

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Lol, do you honestly think they wouldn't? They added Charr Bags to pre-searing which serve no purpose other than to help people who farm Pre for dyes to make money.

A reward of sort for those who spends alot of time in presearing, perhaps also to remove the bag market that went for insane prices. Extra-Inventory space means Anet will make the LDoA title easier in the future ? Nonsense again.

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They gave us Factions which makes Rank1 Survivor almost worthless. They gave us DoA which makes anyone who isn't a Warrior, Elementalist, Necromancer or Monk worthless.

Irrevelant.

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The only reason why 100 hours spent in pre-searing seems like alot is because:

1. People have characters that spend there ENTIRE life there.

2. This title requires ALOT of hours spent death leveling enemies. 100 hours for a title is still a very long time if you don't compare it to the crap that is the LDoA title currently.

Again this obsession with the LDoA title. Come on, tell us why you want this title so badly.

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Effort? Time? What are you talking about? Your time and effort completely ceased at level 16 when there were no longer any enemies in Pre-searing that you could gain experience from. Did you sit there and actively aid your enemies in killing you by using Frenzy/Healing Signet cancelling? Somehow i think you didn't. You have put no effort into this title since you achieved level 16.

Again you criticize something which you admitted you totally ignore. And that "you didn't even tried" like you wrote in your last post. *sigh*

Lilanthe · Apr 13, 2007, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Interesting method Mithran, but I think it would be a mess to put in place (seperating codes for presearing and postsearing ect), and even if it would work you'll find people again that will complain about this about not behing fast enough, and will want a short-cut.

MithranArkanere · Apr 13, 2007, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by Lilanthe

Interesting method Mithran, but I think it would be a mess to put in place (seperating codes for presearing and postsearing ect), and even if it would work you'll find people again that will complain about this about not behing fast enough, and will want a short-cut.

You seem to like to use imagination instead of eyes.
I wrote about DP. Does DP exist in PreAscalon?
Hm... NO.
The change is meant for the WHOLE game. I had already thought about it. So nothin you can say can refute the change.
It is possible.
It is plausible.
Won't unbalance the game.
At level 20, you'll get 1 XP from level 10..14 creatures. And 0XP from 0..9 ones.
A level 11..14 degen using creature can kill you with a hard lag hit.
This would allow players to recover the DP by killing 150 of them... nice... no real change.

Yep, people want shourcuts, people is lazy. Peopla must work for titles. They are for that. Even if they find a shorcut, it is removed, like happened with Lightbringer exploited ilegal farming.

Things change, and sometimes jokes become a real thing.
Time for LDoA.

My point is not to make LDoA easy.
Is to make it possible without Death Leveling and allow to have also Survivor.
How can you defend Ascalon if you are dead?

I know is hard to find arguments to refute something irrefutable. Keep trying, but please. No more 'answer step by step superquoted posts... they are annoying and hard to read.

Lilanthe · Apr 13, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

You seem to like to use imagination instead of eyes.
I wrote about DP. Does DP exist in PreAscalon?
Hm... NO.
The change is meant for the WHOLE game.

Wait, you want Anet to put a minimum of 1xp instead of 0xp in the whole game ? You know it was like that in the beginning ? And that it was removed in a patch after a while right ? There must have been a good reason to do so.

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Is to make it possible without Death Leveling and allow to have also Survivor.

Well here's the problem actually, I doubt Anet wants to give an advantage to one chapter over the other. If you allow LDoA and Survivor on a same prophecies character, it will give this player 1 extra title attainable over the other chapters, which is, not fair for them.

Who knows, perhaps Anet added this title in for you to choose between massives deaths and no deaths at all !

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How can you defend Ascalon if you are dead?

Dead ? You character never dies, he always ressurects !

MithranArkanere · Apr 13, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57

Sigh... You know you don't need to quete the very last post?
And again the quoterama...

Well... they probably remove it to prevent people from gettin to level 20 in PreAscalon.
Now is acepted.
Thing change.

Guild Wats is not 3 games.
Is one in chapters.
You want all? Buy all.
Prophecies has Defender.
Cantha has alliegance titles.
Elona has commander, sunspear and lightbringer.
Oh... they actually gave more title to different campaings!

Clap, clap, clap. Yep, you keep trying, you keep failing.
Althought I like people not to surrender and keep triying, please, I insist. No more quoted step by step answers.

Lilanthe · Apr 13, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Well... they probably remove it to prevent people from gettin to level 20 in PreAscalon.
Now is acepted.
Thing change.

Speculation.

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Guild Wats is not 3 games. Is one in chapters.

It is three stand-alone game, not expansions, one does not require the other to work.

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Prophecies has Defender.
Cantha has alliegance titles.
Elona has commander, sunspear and lightbringer.

Clap, clap, clap. Yep, you keep trying, you keep failing. I lime when people keep trying.
But, please, I insist. No more quoted step by step answers.

Another one that doesn't think before posting. Must I hold you by the hand and make you see your mistakes all the time ?

LDoA is the ONLY title not attainable by Factions and Nightfall characters who possess the three chapters. Thus giving the possibility to get survivor with LDoA is a one title advantage over characters created in Factions/Nightfall.

Sheesh, is that so hard to actually take time and think about what you are about to write ?

You are quite funny going to conclusions about failings though, try again when I'll actually fail.

Evilsod · Apr 13, 2007, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Lilanthe

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Whatever. I'll just ignore whatever 'input' you have from here on out because its all complete bollocks. Half of your 'comebacks' were directed towards parts of a paragraph so you could attempt to mock little bits for apparently making no sense, when instead they made perfect sense with the rest of what was said.
The other half is just pathetic... You have quite obviously completely ran out of things to say that are related to what i originally started out as and have turned to attempting to mock me for whatever you possibly can. You start trying to mock me for my Maths when what you quoted contained nothing to do with Maths. Your 'comeback' still doesn't explain to me where the maths was that i was so bad at, instead you try to continue my little point on your spelling mistakes by retaliating with some of my own. Still completely irrelevant. You wonder if you're argueing with a teenager. I wonder if i'm argueing with a toddler.

You last post was nothing more than small quotes with an attempt at a smart arsed comment in reply. Not a single counter point in it anywhere, or at least not 1 that was relevant in the slightest.

Please just stop replying in this thread. You have almost completely stopped bringing up counter points to peoples suggestions and have instead turned to trying to insult people. You haven't brought a single useful piece of information to this thread, not a single suggestion on how to improve on my idea, nothing.

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Well here's the problem actually, I doubt Anet wants to give an advantage to one chapter over the other. If you allow LDoA and Survivor on a same prophecies character, it will give this player 1 extra title attainable over the other chapters, which is, not fair for them.

The only note worthy things you've said in the last 4 posts. However. Sunspear AND Lightbringer are both attainable in Nightfall only. Kurzick/Luxon Alliegance titles are only attainable in Factions. Legendary Death-leveller of Ascalon is only attainable in the tutorial section of Prophecies. Nothing is stopping you gaining Survivor AND the other 4 titles mentioned. LDoA and Survivor is impossible.
As you seem to be so fond of saying now, did you even think about this before you posted? Nightfall and Factions both have 2 exclusive titles (fair enough, both titles in factions is almost impossible) and you can also gain Survivor. Prophecies is an either/or situation, even if you could gain both you'd still be 1 down on the other chapters.

Lilanthe · Apr 13, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Whatever. I'll just ignore whatever 'input' you have from here on out because its all complete bollocks. Half of your 'comebacks' were directed towards parts of a paragraph so you could attempt to mock little bits for apparently making no sense.

Wow, bold. You should reread what you wrote earlier, all what you have written in your past posts just evades my arguments and questions. See, now you completely ignore my entire last post and my question.

Bollocks ? Hardly.

You just can't come up with anything to answer back, so you are trying to put the card of ignorance on my back.

Try again kiddo, you're not fooling anybody.

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The other half is just pathetic... You have quite obviously completely ran out of things to say that are related to what i originally started out as and have turned to attempting to mock me for whatever you possibly can.

Running out of things to say ? I could respond to you, if you could at least provide me some material which I can answer to. Your posts are devoid of any arguments, it's filled with awful comparisons, irrevelant information, and no answers to my points.

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You start trying to mock me for my Maths when what you quoted contained nothing to do with Maths.

No ? Post 44 ? I said you should multiply the exp per level per 4 (15minutesx4=1 hour) that a lvl14 boss would give you per kill, and then multiply by 10 to 16(what a normal deleveling sessions take) and see if the result is higher than the 1000-1500xp a deleveler does per 10-16 hours. Grinding the boss would get much much more exp during this laps of time, whereas you said deleveling would "progressed alot more than those who buggered off to do other things."

You... came up with the reasoning that this way we could get lvl 20 in 10-16 hours. You totally didn't understood cr*p of that easy math problem.

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instead you try to continue my little point on your spelling mistakes by retaliating with some of my own.

You put this on my back ? Ha ! Funny, I thought you were the one with no more arguments and thus tried to answer back by criticizing a spelling mistake in the first place, and seeing all your mistakes, you weren't in position to judge on this.

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Still completely irrelevant. You wonder if you're argueing with a teenager. I wonder if i'm argueing with a toddler.

Second time you use this "elementary school" comeback. "You're stupid !" "No, you're more stupid."

Unoriginal and with no effect at all.

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You last post was nothing more than small quotes with an attempt at a smart arsed comment in reply. Not a single counter point in it anywhere, or at least not 1 that was relevant in the slightest.

Same as above, if you would actually answer me straight away, instead of evading my questions/arguments with nonsense, perhaps I would be able to counter whatever you've brought so far.

Just look at your post, I asked you a straight question, two times. No answer. Geez, what a surprise here !

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Please just stop replying in this thread. You have almost completely stopped bringing up counter points to peoples suggestions and have instead turned to trying to insult people.

This only sentence just proves to everybody you can't answer me anything back. You are actually asking me to back up from this argument because you are tired of it.

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You haven't brought a single useful piece of information to this thread, not a single suggestion on how to improve on my idea, nothing.

Put back your glasses on sherlock.

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As you seem to be so fond of saying now, did you even think about this before you posted? Nightfall and Factions both have 2 exclusive titles (fair enough, both titles in factions is almost impossible) and you can also gain Survivor. Prophecies is an either/or situation, even if you could gain both you'd still be 1 down on the other chapters.

Man, geez, you don't grasp it do you ?

Everybody and their mother know that a person with Prophecies or/and Nightfall only won't be able to get the Allegience titles, duh.

Everybody and their mother know that a person with Prophecies or/and Factions can't get Sunspear and Lightbringer, duh.

And everybody and their mother know, that like the majority of players, who owns the 3 chapters, will have a possible title less if Anet allows LDoA and Survivor on a same character if a player create a Factions or Nightfall character. Because ONLY a prophecies character could get both in this case. So this character, with LDoA and LS will go into the two other campaigns, totally able to get the titles of these chapters.

In the end, if your brain cannot understand this right now, a Prophecies character CAN GET ALL titles from Nightfall and Factions. A Factions/Nightfall character CANNOT get LDoA, so if you add the possibility to get Survivor with LDoA in pre, Prophecies characters will have a one title advantage.

Understand now ?

Sheesh.

Firebaall · Apr 13, 2007, 06:52 AM // 06:52

lol...

Stop with the wine n' cheese act.

Put the time in, or don't worry about the title.

There's bigger fish to fry in pre, than the OP's laziness. This title is available to EVERYONE. Except to those that lack the dedication.

Now...if you want to address an issue of pre that needs to be hit with the "fairness" stick, look to those that have glitched in gear from post searing. Currently, those of us that didn't use an exploit to get gear from our guild halls (or started playing after the glitch was patched), don't have the same access to items.

That, my friends....is a real issue. Not some title that everyone has the same level of access to.

FelixCarter · Apr 13, 2007, 08:31 AM // 08:31

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Originally Posted by Lilanthe

but I think it would be a mess to put in place (seperating codes for presearing and postsearing ect)

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Originally Posted by Lilanthe

Speculation.

I'm sorry, Lilanthe. I kinda had to use your quote against you.

But I can totally understand where you're coming from! I think I understand (or at least I want to understand) everyone's point...

Once again though, please try and be kind to one another. We're a community and ideas prosper better in an environment of understanding. They'll wither, however, when we start throwing each others ideas onto BBQs.

Also, I think a mod will close this if things get too out of hand, and I wouldn't want to see that happen. Thanks in advanced. ^_^

bouvrie · Apr 13, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

As someone who enjoys the atmosphere in Pre more than Post, I personally was looking for a way to gain in level in Pre. If possible, I myself wanted to get to level 20 in Pre as hitting max level gives you access to all (most) possible attribute points. I did not aim for a maxed title to be had in the game; it just came with the level.

To me, the LDOA title as been awarded as a gesture to the first batch of players that already obtained level 20 a long time ago. As such, the title wasn't meant to be gained from scratch, but more as an added surprise. I personally believe that the whole point of making a title proclaim 'LEGENDARY', is to signal that the peep in question is something special. Having said that, obtaining the title should never be made easier, as is reflected in most replies here.

In terms of obtaining the title: Dleveling is indeed a bit weird. To me it feels like exploiting the game's mechanism. Making the title doable by adding an easily accessible level 14 enemy will enable more people to obtain the title, because the path to the title is observed more clearly. However, having many LDOA players doesn't make the title all that Legendary anymore...

Alternatively, if (a) level 14 enemy(ies) was(were) to be added at all, I'd love for them to be on the far side of the Northlands, with massive Charr groups acting as its/their bodyguard. Quite possibly, this could be played in terms of a repeatable quest, like saving some Charr-captured merchant that had gone astray in the Northlands when the Charr invaded. In return, after killing ALL charr in the Northlands, the Merchant would even be grateful enough to award you with a limited expert salvage kit for a bit of a donation.

As much as I hate the deathleveling way for a title (being a legendary defender by dying over and over is awkward indeed), I believe the construct to get the title with (some) death(s) shouldn't be changed, especially to keep the current LDOA'ers happy. After all: if getting both LDOA and Survivor were possible, present LDOA'ers would feel cheated having died over and over... Perhaps the repeatable quest would structurally involve you dying at least once, to make sure Survivor can't be had as well.

After all, if both Survivor and LDOA were to be possible simultaneously, more people could start anew in Pre, focussing less on the upcoming GW:EN. ANet wouldn't want that, would they?

Cass · Apr 13, 2007, 10:31 AM // 10:31

If anything they should just rename the title... I like the coffin-filler suggestion.

Making it an actual effort-based title would just mean that all those who grinded it like plants suddenly get a title buff, as it would then also reflect doing slightly more interesting things than deathleveling.
Kind of like when Anet closed the Sunspear exploit and left it closed for many months (up to today) so that those who abused it quickly can brandish the title with unjust exclusivity... rewarding their lame playstyle.

Evilsod · Apr 13, 2007, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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Originally Posted by Lilanthe

In the end, if your brain cannot understand this right now, a Prophecies character CAN GET ALL titles from Nightfall and Factions. A Factions/Nightfall character CANNOT get LDoA, so if you add the possibility to get Survivor with LDoA in pre, Prophecies characters will have a one title advantage.

Zomg, a Prophecies char will have 1 up on a Factions and Nightfall char. If they manage to get this title without dieing once then go to post and get the rest of the exp needed. Anyone who puts in that much effort deserves 1 up on the rest.

Oh and currently characters made and killed before the introduction of the Survivor title can't get it, so all new chars have 1 up on them. That doesn't seem to be bothering Anet, so why would this?

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making a title proclaim 'LEGENDARY',

I could say the same about Survivor. Theres nothing Legendary about experience farming dumb AI mobs to get your title after completing loads of high exp - low risk quests in Cantha. If i could get that title on my old Ranger i would actually go for it... but i can't. That and i don't even try on new chars because it just makes you take unecessary caution and makes the game obscenely dull imo.

Meat Axe · Apr 13, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Okay, say they added something, a boss for instance, to pre searing that let you level up normally to lvl 20. It'd take a hell of a long time, and it'd be completely boring, but it's worth it, right? As long as it takes less time than AFKing for deathleveling.

I got my LDoA a couple of weeks ago, and you know what I'd be asking if Anet added something like this? First thing I'd say was "Hey. I spent 400 more hours than everyone else has to now to get this title. Do I get compensation for this? That's 400 hours of gameplay that I just lost." After all, when they changed the quest to get Razah, people who'd done it already got compensated. Why shouldn't I? And the rest of the people who did it the long way?

Alright, that was sort of a joke. Sort of. I really don't care about how everyone else gets their title. I'm happy that I have mine. One point that I didn't see anyone make (although I did only read the first two pages) was how is it fair to Factions and Nightfall characters? Why should Prophecies get an additional title (because with this new method, a Prophecies character could get both survivor and LDoA)?

Now there is a way to fix this. Add a level 13 boss for all I care. That would mean that you'd still have to deathlevel that last little bit (after all quests done at lvl 19, you still have 2000 xp to go), so it'd still be impossible to get both survivor and LDoA.

Of course, there is still a part of me that says to leave it as is. But if they were to do something, I'd prefer it so that it doesn't make characters from one campaign better off than from the others.

bouvrie · Apr 13, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

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[LEGENDARY proclamation]
I could say the same about Survivor. Theres nothing Legendary about experience farming dumb AI mobs to get your title after completing loads of high exp - low risk quests in Cantha.

Perhaps I should've expanded on that, I meant something is considered legendary if there's a low chance of another random peep also having the same characteristics. It's legendary to have reached the maximum level in Pre because most other players only reach level 20 in post. Similarly, it's legendary to be a survivor, because pretty much everyone dies at least once before that title.

So, I'm not referring to the path to the title being legendary, I just state the threshold for reaching the title is legendary, considering you'd be one of the few who pull it off.

boxterduke · Apr 13, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35

/signed to make the title attainable by actually playing the game and not afking it.

Thats why I was never interested in drunkard or other titles that need afking.

MithranArkanere · Apr 13, 2007, 12:38 PM // 12:38

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Originally Posted by Lilanthe

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Another one that doesn't think before posting. Must I hold you by the hand and make you see your mistakes all the time ?

LDoA is the ONLY title not attainable by Factions and Nightfall characters who possess the three chapters. Thus giving the possibility to get survivor with LDoA is a one title advantage over characters created in Factions/Nightfall.
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Again (and again, and again). NO.

If you have Prophecies, you can make prophecies characters.
If you can make Prophecies characters, you can have LDoA.
Almost no People go for all titles in all characters.

You may give one more title to a character, but you don't to an account.
And that's what matter. Any player can make a Prophecies character.
One more title to a character? Who cares?

What to keep a pointless Deathleveling title? Rename it to:
"Sad Martir of Ascalon"

And, again. Stop the quoted answers step by step.
That is one of the main tools of at forum troll , and you don't want to be a forum troll.

The survivor title was added after a lot of people died.
Are they cheated? No. They didn't knew the title was going to be added.
Instead of resetting the death counters, they just added the title, and mostly new characters started to get it.
So the 'it's not fair for old charaters' argument is not valid.

Two titles obtained by AFKng is more than enough.

DreamCatcher · Apr 13, 2007, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Okay, say they added something, a boss for instance, to pre searing that let you level up normally to lvl 20. It'd take a hell of a long time, and it'd be completely boring, but it's worth it, right? As long as it takes less time than AFKing for deathleveling.

I got my LDoA a couple of weeks ago, and you know what I'd be asking if Anet added something like this? First thing I'd say was "Hey. [B]I spent 400 more hours than everyone else has to now to get this title. Do I get compensation for this? That's 400 hours of gameplay that I just lost." After all, when they changed the quest to get Razah, people who'd done it already got compensated. Why shouldn't I? And the rest of the people who did it the long way?

Alright, that was sort of a joke. Sort of. I really don't care about how everyone else gets their title. I'm happy that I have mine. One point that I didn't see anyone make (although I did only read the first two pages) was how is it fair to Factions and Nightfall characters? Why should Prophecies get an additional title (because with this new method, a Prophecies character could get both survivor and LDoA)?

...

Dear Meat Axe. Grats on your toon Robot P for getting LDoA.

I'd like to make a note to any opposers of any alternative way that this is not about making the title easier or faster to get but to have an alternative way to get it.
I'd also like to point to the fact that the alternative way should be an alternative way to gain xp after having reached level 16 (or perhaps 15) thus imo a hard mode, only accesable to lvl 16's (or perhaps 15's) would remove all possibility of powerleveling this title.
Should it be faster then deathleveling? 400 hours you said Meataxe? Someone else mentioned 800 hours but this is realy irrelevant as most of the time is spend afk! For drunkart and sweet tooth you atleast have to be there yourself to click that stack of xxx in your inventory (or use a macro and loose your account asap).

Some people thinks that if theres a faster way to get this title then by deathleveling that this is wrong.
Some other think that if theres an alternative way to get this title hat this should not be with less efford!

A choice between more time but less efford and less time but more efford is fair imo (and I say again, most of the time spend by deathlevelling is spend while doing absolutely nothing!)

The thing about surviver and LDoA..my sweet primary ranger I made 2 years back will never be a surviver and thus has even 1 title less then anyone who can get the LDoA title..how is that fair? Max titles was unfair right from the start and besides..I think anyone who went through the efford (not time!) to get LDoA and surviver may even deserve 1 more title..it would be a unique challenge.

I will say once more...the efford that most current LDoA speak about is the efford of being afk...this is NOT efford, it's just time needed to invest in this title...this is not efford. The only efford is finding someone who you can trust to leave you in the northlands after having let you in and the actual deathlevel setup which I know is NOT ''just a 3 minute walk in the park'' kinda thing. Grinding to lvl 16 is efford and I think a hard mode with lvl 14 charr is faster but it is more efford! I don't realy know if 1 xp is a good idea but it's better then deathleveling

And people, plz dont stop signing ,we want your opinions!

MithranArkanere · Apr 13, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

At least with te lucky and unlucky title you have to pay for the tickets.
This has no effort.
So, either they make my small exp change, either they make them lvl 20 in hard mode.

Jongo River · Apr 13, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

Personally, I don't see why they can't drop in some higher level Charrs and make the title dependant on both reaching lvl 20 and actively playing (in pre-searing) for a significant period of time - say 360 hrs, which is approx 2hrs a day for six months. They'd have to detect afk'ers and not count time idle, but I imagine that wouldn't be too hard to implement.

Under that scheme, the title would actually be harder to obtain - since you couldn't afk any of it. Of course, I wouldn't want it personally, because it's already been tainted by the silly death-level exploiters.